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[e-mail] (Garry Johnson) writes:

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>In article <2sandp$[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Marc G. Fournier) says:
>>
>>Hi...
>>
>>        The subject pretty well says it all, I think.  I>started to play with SLip from home finally, and after
>>a period of time, winsock doesn't seem to allow resolution
>>of names anymore...but IP #'s still work.
>>
>>        I started up with 1.0a, which ran for about 8 hours
>>before I started having problems.  First Eudora couldn't
>>connect to my mail server, and then trying to telnet into
>>the slip host wouldn't work (by name...again, number
>>worked).
>>
>>        I saw the postings about 1.0b6, so went out and got
>>that to try out and actually found that the problem
>>manifests itself even faster now.
>>
>>        My main question is whether this is a known bug,
>>and if so, is there a fix?
>>
>>thanks...
>>
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>At the risk of sounding uninformed, doesn't this appear to be typical of
>a RESOURCE LEEK within the Windows environment.  It's remenicient (sp) of
>a problem with an early version of Mosaic.  Which TCP/IP stack are you using?

    At the risk of me sounding uninformed (which I am in terms of Windows),
isn't the TCP/IP stack the Tattams Winsock v1.0b6?

    Oh, and in case it comes to mind...I don't use Mosaic over a SL/ip
link, so mosaic isn't running at all while I'm using SL/ip.

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In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Garry Johnson) writes:
> At the risk of sounding uninformed, doesn't this appear to be typical of
> a RESOURCE LEEK within the Windows environment.  It's remenicient (sp) of
> a problem with an early version of Mosaic.  Which TCP/IP stack are you using?

I believe resource LEEK's only happen for users in Wales (or, maybe, those
using Crynwr packet drivers :-).

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Subject: Re: Looking for WINSOCK Mail reader that uses SLIP/SMTP

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Patrick Lee) writes:
> [e-mail] (MJaffe) writes:
> >
> > Also, what are the pros and cons of SMTP vs POP?
>
> For SMTP, your computer needs to be connected all the time in order to ensure
> mail gets to you in a timely fashion. If your computer is not accepting mail
> when a host tries to send it, it will most likely try again every hour
> (depends on local configuration and load on the local machine) thereafter for
> 2-3 days. If you want to get all the messages intended for your computer, you
> really want to be on 2-3 hours continuously during prime time since some hosts
> may only be on during business hours.

This is not strictly true. My internet provider (Demon Internet Services
in the UK) provide SMTP for dial-up sites (they do offer POP as a less
useful alternative). They have around 3000 customers (last time I asked,
but they also have exponential growth).

Now for the gory details ...

Demon customers get their own Internet site name and IP address (most end
in .demon.co.uk, like mine). Demon set MX records for all these site to
one of their Unix boxes, so all incoming mail goes to a permanently
connected site. They have modified their SMTP setup so that SMTP "knows"
when a Demon customer dials in using SLIP or PPP, and starts delivery
processes for all mail to that site. Dial-up users have SMTP at their end
(DOS users mostly use KA9Q, for example) to collect incoming mail, and to
deliver outgoing mail - either direct or via Demon.

This is very effective, and means Demon customers may have many users
(or, at least, user names) at their site. They may set up new users, and
decide whether to bounce mail etc. at their own discretion.

Alternatively, you can ask Demon to provide you with POP mailboxes. The
limitation here is that you must tell Demon about every user at your site,
and ask again every time you want to change anything.

So, although your statement may be true for some (most ?) service
providers, it is certainly not true for all of them.

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Subject: Re: ALL SLIP USERS AND WINSOCK DEVELOPERS SHOULD READ THIS!!!

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Derek J. Carr) writes:
> In article <2s8535$[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Jeffrey Ely) writes:
> >In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
> >(Salvatore Marco Biscari) says:
>
> >>NEWS.
> >>Also in this case, what I need is a program that allows me to go on line,
> >>quickly collect the articles I am interested to, and quit.
>
> >I don't see why you want to read news offline.  It only limits your
> >options.  I like the approach of WinVN, just the implementation
> >needs some work and steady progress is being made, so I have no
> >complaints, only gratitude.
>
> I have a long-distance connection to my server (the nearest possible here) so
> that I'm paying something like $15 - $25 an hour (including connect time costs)
> even at night. Now do you understand why?

There ARE good off-line news and mail readers available, for both DOS and
Windows (although the Windows offering I know about is an early alpha).

My Internet provider her in the UK is Demon Internet Services. They charge
10.00 GBP (about - $15.00) [plus local tax] per month for unlimited SLIP or
PPP access to the Internet.

Most Demon DOS users use a variant of KA9Q to connect. This variant
collects all mail for the site via SMTP, and collects all the news for
(user-)selected newsgroups via NNTP. Various off-line programs are
available to read and reply - SNEWS and PCElm is the "standard"
configuration, but there is also something called Umail. Best of the
bunch is a really wonderful program combined off-line mail and news
program called CPPNEWS (but then I would say that - I wrote it :-).

For Windows, there is a Visual Basic (yuch :-) program called DICS (still
in alpha) which works over Winsock, and does the SMTP/NNTP bit, and NewsWin
(or is it WinNews ?) to do the off-line reading and replying (also in
alpha test).

There is also an extensive collection of documents, mostly well worth
reading by everyone from beginners to gurus.

The whole lot is available for public ftp from ftp.demon.co.uk (best times
to ftp - probably during our working day - say 10:00 to 16:00 GMT - they
have a lot of home users who log on during cheap phone rate in the
evenings). A good place to start is pub/doc/dis-meta.faq.

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